Sappers at Bobruisk?

[Adrian Taylor]

Agreed. The original Blitz game is more like Command & Conquer than Combat Mission. Unfortunately you will need the full Blitz game to play the Ostfront Demo.


Adrian

[juppe]

I have a big problem with this mission, it drives me crazy. I have tryed everything (obviously not). I stormed over the railway bridge, just before it goes, then the road bridge goes, I killed every red dot on the map.
No matter when I repare the bridge, 10 sek after I repared the road bridge, I get the message, sorry you lost, you lost to many men and equipment.
Please any proposal.
I really wants to play on.
Excuse the english.

[foxy]

OK well If you rush this mission , then you lose.

The railway bridge has to blow to allow the mission to xcontinue, use you Inf wisely,keep some alive for the reinforcements.

Then you can replenish the squads and continue.

If the raod bridge blows, use your morters to deactivate some of the fire comeing your way.

My advice is take the trenchs
before the railbridge, but do not cross it, then put men into buildings in town, this will give you a chance to servive with enuff troops to continue.

Then attack buildings by road bridge,use morters to nutrilise enemy, you will be counter attacked so be prepared.

Hope this helps.

[juppe]

Thanks for the instruction, I will try it out, do I think I already tryed it.
But what exactly do I have to do, to hold the bridge head?

[foxy]

Just remember the morters are your best friend in this mission, do not use your medium arty when it first arrives, this will be targeted as soon as you open fire, so use it and the Air cover wisely.

you may have to rebuild the road bridges again and again, due to other things.

But once you have cleared Russians from over the bridge and taken the first arrow over the bridge things will ease some what, but its still advisable to use youer stukas.
I would be giveing to much away if I told you more.

Remember this is not like the Original Blitz, but is much much more realistic, so think on those lines. ;D

[Adrian Taylor]

Just to add, you only have a limited number of engineer vehicles. If you loose these and have and the bridges are still down with no troops across you will loose the mission.


Adrian

[juppe]

Ok, First I take the trenches at the railway bridge, the bridge goes, and then the russians attacks, kill them, maybe lost 10 men.
Then I use the morters on the russians in the houses at the road bridge until they al are gone, advance with the infanery and hide in the houses at the roadbridge, lost maybe 10 more men.
The road bridge explodes.
I use the stukas a lot and take care of the russian arty and anti airguns.
Then I use the arty to take care of what I can find with my observationplan.
Then all seems to be pretty quiet, so I reparie the road bridge
Get the information that I have to push the russians away.
Total lost 20-25 men + 1 observationplane.
15 sek later I get the information that I lost, because I lost to many men, and have not been able to build a bridge head.
Do I only have 15 sek to build a bridgehead, or should I repare and use the railbridge, (tryed that)
Is it a bug or a patsh missing.
I mannage the Blitz Krieg and all Command&Conquer games, but this realy annoy me.
What am I doing wrong here??
Please help

[foxy]

The simple fact is you have to get across the bridge, and if you get to mauled to much , you will lose.

Just keep trying, but use diff tactics.

No time limit that i know of.

[Adrian Taylor]

Do you get this message appearing

"Any more engineers lost will mean the bridge can not be repaired and thus the operation will fail!"

If you do, it means you have lost too many engineer units and haven't repaired the bridges. Be warned if the bridges are repaired but you have received the above message if the Russians destroy the bridges again and you have no engineer trucks you will loose.


Are you playing Mission:Barbarossa or Ostfront:Barbarossa?


Regards


Adrian Taylor

[juppe]

HI
No I dont get "Any more engineers lost will mean the bridge can not be repaired and thus the operation will fail!"
The first engineer fix the bridge, Not sure if I play Mission:Barbarossa or Ostfront:Barbarorossa, will find out.

[Adrian Taylor]

You should get some Panzers. Can you confirm if you do?

If you are playing an English or French version you are using Ostfront:Barbarossa. If it is German it could either be Ostfront or Mission:Barbarossa. If you bought it recently it will most likely be Mission:Barbarossa.


Adrian

[juppe]

Sometimes when I start I get a lot of infantery, starting in the SE corner.
Sometimes I get a lot of infantery in the "middle" of the village.
I always get 2 morters as soon as I start to move.
After a while I get 2 panzar scout cars or 2 tanks.
Then Airsupport
And then the enginers.
If I dont fix the roadbridge, but fix the railroadbridge instead,
I can get the mission to clear russians east of "The village.
And then I get more tanks (4 I think)
And I Almost take the village up north.
But when I reparie the road bridge I get the message to push the russians and 15 sek later "You lost to many men and equipment you are a poor commander"
And it is the english version.

[Adrian Taylor]

Your Panzers are the key. These should appear after you repair the roadbridge and will be your core tanks. Thus if you repair the Railbridge first you will not get armour reinforcements until the road bridge is repaired.

You will not loose the mission until the armour turns up and they are all destroyed or the bridges are not repaired and you have no engineers left.

I suggest you repair the Road bridge first, wait until your armour arrives and then push across the Road Bridge. Make sure your engineers are safe and then repair the Rail bridge.


Adrian

[juppe]

Hi
I Bomb the houses by the roadbridge, then I have to send something over the bridge, I use 1 men, then the bridge goes.
I repair the bridge with my first enginer.
Meesge: You have repared the bridge.
5sec later
Message: "You have to push any Russians clear of East Bobruisk ta astabish a strong bridgehead and allow advance of the division"
15 sec later
"You have failed to create a bridge head over the Beresina thought heavy losses of equipment and men. You are obviously NOT the great commander you thought you were"
No Panzar arrives.
I keep playing, get the panzar and push on get all the "arrows to disaper" but offcorse I cant finish the mission, then I allready lost it by the bridge according to the game.
I will pretty soon send the computer out trough the window.
Were planing to ad screenshoots to explane better, could not get that to work either.
maybe am just a moran.......

[Adrian Taylor]

Just played through this mission at least 15 minutes after repairing the bridge getting all my reinforcements and no problem.

However, saying that I think the key is still the first bunch of panzers. They are core units and (this is where it gets technical) if you have core units spread between two reinforcement groups which happens in this mission and you have not yet received enough promotions to gain a full compliment of core units (8 at this time), then the game engine will randomly allocate the 4 units between the two reinforcement slots. Follow me?

If all core units are allocated to the second batch of reinforcements, as I think has happen with you. You will then fail the mission as your main panzer force has failed the arrive.

I suggest you re-start afresh (Start from the end of last mission save) and give it another go with the road bridge. If you receive any core unit panzers after you repair the road bridge it should be okay.

In the meantime I will post a patch in a couple of days with an amended script file.



Adrian Taylor
ACTive Gaming
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